[11] However, Kaine soon became another reoccurring character of unexplained origin and purpose, like Judas Traveller and the Scrier, whose roles would not be revealed for quite some time. Issues in the storyline have not been added. Conway said this ambiguity was unintentional, as at the time he took it as a given that Marvel would never replace the star of The Amazing Spider-Man with a clone. The Trial of Peter Parker (WOS 126, ASM 403, SM 60, TSS 226 (July 1995)) dropped hints about Reilly's time away from New York. The thing that struck me in reading various things on the Internet is that people would complain about the Clone Saga, and then go on about how wonderful Ben Reilly was. Star Wars Quadruple Trilogy + Clone Wars + Anthology Saga Chronology. If you buy Spider-Man titles, for instance, you do not switch to Batman if the price is lower. Budiansky was sold on the idea. What follows is one of the most bloated comic events of all time. Lacking anything better, the team ran with it. Parker, Reilly, and Spidercide, who believed himself to be the original Parker, battled Kaine. Kaine was revealed as yet another Parker clone and as the real killer of Raven's partner. [15] With this arc, the sales of the Spider-Man comics skyrocketed, and therefore, the writers were encouraged to keep the saga going even longer. He decreed that the fate of Watson's child would deliberately be left a mystery, even though that would leave readers feeling cheated. The whole storyline was supposed to simplify Spider-Man's mythos and ultimately bring him "back to basics.". This six-part event within an event was supposed to wrap up the Clone Saga and replace Parker with Reilly. ASM 413 (July 1996) involved Reilly fighting Mysterio again, and Peter once again having an incident, this time resolving to tell Mary Jane his concerns. Peter's shoulder is dislocated, and Ben demands to know where baby May is, as Aunt May and Mary Jane wonder where Peter is. The readers, of course, would want to know more about the new Spider-Man, even if they didn't know it yet. The title Maximum Clonage obviously came from Maximum Carnage, an earlier Spider-saga. The writers proposed alternative solutions, but none of them attained editorial approval the way the "Time Loop" idea had. Attack of the Clones – 22 BBY. No one had the time or imagination to work it into the story in a plausible way, so it became one of many loose ends. Obi-Wan is captured, Anakin and Padme attempt a rescue but to no avail. Another one-issue story (TSS 225 (June 1995)), brought Phil Urich back into the spotlight, who turned out to be a heroic Goblin, showed Parker getting rid of that awful Scarlet Spider costume he had acquired, and revealed that Spidercide survived the previous explosion. The events of "The Final Chapter" (or more accurately, "The Gathering of Five") take place two years later. He concluded the memo with "This proposal has holes. The final mysterious figure was unmasked as Norman Osborn, the original Green Goblin, long thought dead. In addition, Gwen is revealed to be Carnage, and Richard revealed to be yet another clone (issues 99-103), aged artificially and given psychic treatment to create his false memories. Yet another mysterious figure, Gaunt, appeared, who had a connection to Trainer. When we talk about Spiderman: The Clone Saga, we talk about the one from the 1990s. save hide report. 18 Star Wars: Clone Wars (2003-2005) The Clone Wars era is where it gets complicated. Fan Creations. Kaine surrendered as well and was not heard from again for the rest of the Saga. There is a big movement of “Bring Back Ben Reilly” folks. In the Ultimate Spider-Man continuity, the character Miles Warren was first introduced as Harry Osborn's psychiatrist who was hired by Norman Osborn to brainwash out any memories of his Goblin persona. Eventually, April is defeated by the Fury and the Goblin Queen and told that she is the clone. "Miles' CLONE SAGA is a story that has been months, even years, in the making. After this, I give up. The Jackal was the villain identity of Gwen and Peter's biology professor Miles Warren, who could not cope with the death of Gwen, with whom he had a secret infatuation. As mentioned above, a re-release of the original 1970s storyline was released in summer 2011,[needs update] bridging the Clone Saga and Ben Reilly Epics. Reilly tried to leave town again, but after defeating the Vulture, decided to stay. The mastermind, now in control of a Parker blood sample, resurrects Norman. Ben would get the chance to establish himself as Spider-Man and move forward. They tried to escape, but while crossing that bridge (where Stacy died), their car crashed. Management wanted an event to compare with Age of Apocalypse, which had boosted sales of the X-Men titles. It is one of the most controversial Spider-Man stories ever told. The original notes showed that the story was planned as a three month event spread across the four monthly Spider-Man titles. Meanwhile, Carolyn Trainer, the daughter of Seward Trainer, was introduced as a female Doctor Octopus. With an aerosol bomb, he hoped to mutate all of humanity into an ideal form. Star Wars: The Clone Wars may have been aired in non-chronological order, but now that the formerly cancelled television series has completed its run on Disney+, it’s possible to sort everything out within the larger timeline of that galaxy far, far away. In this "profit or die" atmosphere, no job was safe, and the marketing department had a veto over creative decisions. DeMatteis, and part written by Todd DeZago and Howard Mackie, Jackal gave readers doubt and suspicion by stating that Peter was the clone, followed by a reverse statement, and then assessing them as both being clones of an original; because of this, the story was considered convoluted. Thus, no outrageous idea was out of bounds. A series of chaotic events followed, in which Peter and Ben were plagued by both a resurrected Jackal and by Kaine, who was an unsuccessful first clone of Spider-Man. The rest of the six-month delay simply marked time through September (SSM 8, TSS 238), October (SSM 9, ASM 416, SM 73, TSS 239), and November (SSM 10, ASM 417, SM 74). Meanwhile, in SSM 6 (July 1996), the Daily Grind was rebuilt, and Reilly's relationships with his co-workers were too. It was not mentioned again until the Saga had ended. "[8], Howard Mackie stated that "the Clone Saga has not always had the best rap. Meanwhile, in a four-part miniseries, Spider-Man: The Final Adventure (December 1995 - March 1996), Peter and Mary Jane moved to Portland. The decision to resurrect the original Green Goblin was also very controversial; his death was part of the acclaimed "Death of Gwen Stacy" storyline. Miles Morales: Spider-Man #25 is slated to debut a new version of the controversial Clone Saga.Marvel revealed the new logo as well as a debut date of April 2021. [22], At this time, Greenberg recalled, the plan for the Clone Saga was: "A mysterious figure was intended to be the sole mastermind behind the entire Clone Saga, a powerful and influential figure who was controlling Seward Trainer and manipulating the lives of Peter Parker and Ben Reilly from the shadows. The Exiled story (WOS 128, ASM 405, SM 62, SMU 10 (September 1995)) appeared to resolve the question of who would be Spider-Man. [23], As a result of a downgrade, Marvel dissolved the five editor-in-chief positions, leaving only one: Bob Harras. Although centered on Kaine, who was still alive, The Return of Kaine (TSS 231 (February 1996); SSM 2, ASM 409, SM 66 (March 1996)) introduced another Spider-Clone. The comics segment of the Clone Wars storyline was told primarily through the Star Wars: Republic serial, starting with Issue 49 (four issues after the comic had been renamed from Star Wars to Star Wars: Republic) and continuing until the final Issue 83. [18] Greenberg recalled: "The idea was to have each Spider-Man book retitled so that the Scarlet Spider's name would replace Spider-Man's—Amazing Scarlet Spider, Spectacular Scarlet Spider, Ben Reilly Scarlet Spider, and Web of Scarlet Spider. Someone had the idea, so it went into the pot. Although it was intended to wrap up in less than a year, the comics sold very well and the writers were encouraged to prolong the saga as long as possible. Jurgens left Marvel in frustration at the postponement. Kaine tells the mastermind he has the baby, who remarks that it will be raised overseas. Since Ben was the only clone to turn out stable, the Jackal takes a sample of his blood to perfect his cloning technique. Miles' 'Clone Saga' is a story that has been months, even years, in the making," he continues. SMU = Spider-Man Unlimited Between the two, there were also two smaller storylines that dealt with elements from the original saga. In it, the new May changes her name to April and becomes Mayday's rival and occasional partner. [7] Many years after that in Scarlet Spider Unlimited #1, this story arc was molded to fit into the New Clone Saga. SM 69 (June 1996) served as an aftermath to Blood Brothers, where Reilly was cleared for burning down his current place of employment, the Daily Grind; Gaunt severed ties with the Hobgoblin, who was taken down by Reilly and finally arrested for murdering Need Leeds years earlier, among other crimes; and Parker was injured. He issued decrees concerning the Spider-Man books, decrees that contradicted continuity, the advice of the staff, logic, and common sense. As a twist, Bendis established that Doctor Octopus and Reilly acted with consent of the CIA. Kaine kills the Jackal, Ben and Peter escape with the cure and save Aunt May and Mary Jane, who is revealed to be pregnant. WOS = Web of Spider-Man. Star Wars Quadruple Trilogy + Clone Wars + Anthology Saga Chronology. Ben shreds the webbing off, saving his life. A mastermind over the Jackal wants the blood sample as well, for the body of Norman Osborn. Upon waking to find that she has been injected with OZ, MJ is enraged, and her anger triggers a transformation into a large, red monster called the Demogoblin. Read Spider-Man: Identity Crisis here. [13] In a 2008 interview, Glenn Greenberg recalled "It only made sense, from a dramatic standpoint. Tests reveal that the clone is the real Spider-Man and Peter Parker is only a clone. Executive editors on the storyline included Tom DeFalco, Bob Budiansky, and Bob Harras. share. And of course, Peter will never forget his "brother", Ben Reilly. Peter retired as Spider-Man based on this premise and moved to Portland to live with Mary Jane, allowing Ben to take over as Spider-Man. He became the Scarlet Spider and defeated Venom, unaware that Parker and Venom had made a non-agression pact. Comic-book fans are better educated, more brand loyal, and more sensitive to quality than the typical consumer. It brought forth and killed the unborn child of Peter and Mary Jane. The Jackal blames Spider-Man for Gwen's death and wants to kill him. He was rushed to the hospital in TSS 236 (July 1996), and Mary Jane tried to call Reilly, who was busy fighting bad guys. They come into conflict with Kaine, who escapes and is chased by Ben as Peter goes to the hospital. Terry Kavanagh was cajoled into blurting out his clone idea, which first met with groans and indifference, until someone (to my recollection, J.M. This one was a skeleton found in the smokestack where Parker dumped Reilly's "body," way back in ASM 151. Budiansky and Fein got fired. This noble action ironically may have been what ultimately spared him, since by the end of it all, every other clone of Spider-Man would have been dead. The editor in chief was Tom DeFalco. What that meant was holding off Ben's debut as Spider-Man even longer. The child was allegedly stillborn, but Alison Mongrain (who gave her the drug) took the child (or its body) to Europe. Watch Now: Amazon | iTunes | NOW TV | Disney+ Ten years later, … By then, the writers had established a new villain, Kaine. [2] In the follow-up arcs, Conway introduced a new villain called the Jackal and let Gwen Stacy seemingly return from the dead. In another loss of cohesion, the next issue did not belong to a crossover but stood alone. At some point Ralph talked to Joe Quesada, and I got a phone call from Ralph [Macchio] asking if I wanted to do a mini-series showing a version that was truer to what the writers originally imagined. In SMU 8 (February 1995), everyone found out that Doctor Octopus had mysteriously been murdered, while the Funeral for an Octopus limited series (March - May 1995) involved his funeral, and both Spider-Man and the Scarlet Spider taking on the Sinister Six, each not knowing that the other was involved. DeMatteis) suddenly realized the radical possibilities of such a storyline. The surviving Spider-Man determines he is the original because he is in love with Mary Jane Watson, which did not happen until after Professor Warren created the clone. Harras felt that there was only one person who could have had the money, the resources, the connections, the knowledge, and the motivation to orchestrate the Clone Saga and disrupt Peter Parker's life to such a profound extent. During the mid-1990s, Marvel consistently published four monthly Spider-Man series, roughly one every week. The nurse takes the baby to ready her for the parents, but actually hands the baby to Kaine at the docks. The event would have three acts: Reilly and Parker learn that they switched lives five years ago, i.e. When it first debuted in 2008, Star Wars: The Clone Wars added new elements to the Star Wars galaxy like nothing else that had come before it. Peter temporarily retired as Spider-Man, leaving the mantle of Spider-Man to Ben while he prepared for his new role as a father after the discovery that Mary Jane was pregnant; Peter even lost his powers for a time during his 'retirement', although they eventually came back after a near-death experience. This would eliminate the idea that either Ben or Peter was a clone, instead asserting that Ben was Peter from five years in the future, sent back by Mephisto to co-exist with the current Peter. The two Spider-Men soon decide to work together, but one is seemingly killed by the same bomb that kills the Jackal. “Miles’ CLONE SAGA is a story that has been months, even years, in the making. In re-imagining the story for the Ultimate Universe, Brian Bendis inserted many references to the original Clone Saga. The Clone Saga ran through all four titles from October 1994 to December 1996, in addition to a multitude of spin-offs, one-shots, and ancillary issues. Both men believe they are the real Peter Parker. No one had any better ideas. The Clone Wars ‘ first episode chronologically is season 2’s “Cat and Mouse,” which is set in 22 BBY (Before Battle of Yavin), the same year in which Attack of the Clones takes place. But to be honest, a character like Traveller didn't really fit into Spider-Man's world. Reed Richards suggested that they might even remove Peter's powers after some more research, since they are also partially caused by the OZ serum. Overall, the issue recaps the Clone Saga storyline. It's too classic... Let him rest in peace. Warren's clones were real (already shown in WOS 125), meaning that the "cloning virus" was fake. 9 ME - Clone Saga 10 ME - Valeria born, Franklin turns 8 13 ME - Thing has second bar mitzvah, Valeria is 3 15 ME - Leader meet Brian Banner This is just a bare skeleton of an example, but I think you can see the direction it is taking. Bob Harras, who had been head editor of the X-Men group, became editor in chief. Year Published: 1994 Smoke and Mirrors brought the two story lines, as well as Parker and Reilly, knowingly back together (WOS 122, ASM 399, SM 56 (March 1995)). Aunt May almost recovered, told Parker that she knew he was Spider-Man, and seemingly died. It was in the Republic comics that Anakin Skywalkergo… But in the end, there is minimal change. The story arc was heavily criticized for its undefined character motives, and an apparent lack of distinction between villains, heroes, and their allies. This May is eventually revealed to have symbiotic powers. In the process, he discovered that Warren had not, but had instead created a genetic virus which transformed already living beings into supposed clones of other people. DeFalco was fired as editor in chief but stayed on as writer on ASM. I have a far more detailed and complex timeline being worked on, involving all the characters in the MU. Before he died, the Jackal activated a command he had implanted in the clone's mind: to kill the one he loved most. [21] So that the series would still have the appearance of a major impact, writer Fabian Nicieza replaced the baby's birth with the removal of Parker's powers, done in such a way that the writers of the regular titles could quickly reinstate them. Reilly and Parker briefly teamed up against Traveller, but Reilly was caught in an explosion and disappeared. The climax revealed that Peter, Ben, the Jackal, Judas Traveller and many others had all been manipulated for years by Norman Osborn, a.k.a. In a final irony, the corporation that was responsible for giving Parker his powers took them away. "[23] In November 1995, a story outline drafted by Jurgens and Budiansky and titled "Blood Brothers" was distributed to the Spider-Man staff. Peter tells Ben that both villains were liars, and it does not matter who is the clone, but they each have a life. The Web of Death story (ASM 397, TSS 220 (January 1995); ASM 398, TSS 221 (February 1995)) continued Parker's climb back to sanity. A new Clone Saga began in the pages of Amazing Spider-Girl. With a plethora of writers and editors, the storyline was initiated throughout all the regular Spider-Man series, but slowly grew out of control. Miles Morales and Peter Parker both have relatively different experiences as Spider-Man. The idea might have died if J. M. DeMatteis had not championed it. of 5; More topics from this board... Spiderman (miles) videogame is underperforming. Then, the creative staff brought back the Jackal, the original culprit of the clones. Following the marketing department's orders, the staff began to put out limited series and one-shots to boost sales even further, although by design they had nothing significant to do with the story. However, the silver lining arose when Parker's wife, Mary Jane Watson, told him that she was pregnant. Jason Macendale, the current Hobgoblin, also showed up, with his own connection to one more (and the last) mysterious figure. It roughly followed the idea proposed in Jurgens' memo, but added in the revelation that the mastermind behind the saga was Harry Osborn. When Star Wars: The Clone Wars executive producer/mastermind Dave Filoni introduced the teaser trailer at San Diego Comic-Con last year which informed those in attendance that the show was coming back, fans far and wide were downright euphoric. http://www.spiderfan.org/comics/reviews/spiderman_one_shots/maxcloneomega.html, http://lifeofreillyarchives.blogspot.com/2008/03/part-19.html, http://lifeofreillyarchives.blogspot.com/2008/03/part-23.html, http://lifeofreillyarchives.blogspot.com/2008/03/part-28_05.html, http://lifeofreillyarchives.blogspot.com/2008/03/part-30.html, Spider-Man Family/The Amazing Spider-Man Family, Spider-Man/Black Cat: The Evil that Men Do, "The Gathering of Five" and "The Final Chapter", List of unproduced television projects based on Marvel Comics, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Clone_Saga&oldid=1000275611, Wikipedia articles in need of updating from September 2011, All Wikipedia articles in need of updating, Articles lacking in-text citations from June 2010, Articles with unsourced statements from February 2013, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License, In the first version, depicted in the two-part episode "The Return of Hydro-Man", Miles Warren is shown to have created two water-based clones of, The second version, which is an adaptation of the second "Clone Saga", is depicted in the two-part series finale, "Spider Wars". Perelman and the rest could easily have learned those facts about their new customers, but they either didn't bother or didn't care. The central revelation of the Clone Saga came out three months behind schedule. We'd get four new number #1's out of it, and it would be a way to capitalize on the Scarlet Spider's popularity one last time before he became (the new) Spider-Man. The Jackal escaped in yet another explosion. Peter finds Ben and both are threatened by Harry. CLONE SAGA TIMELINE - PART ONE: Amazing Spider-Man #149: PUBLISHED: October 1975 WRITER: Gerry Conway PENCILLER: Ross Andru COVER BY: Gil Kane INKER: Mike Esposito LETTERING: Annette Kawecki COLOR: Janice Cohen EDITOR: Marv Wolfman STORY TITLE: "Even if I live, I die!" Traveller helped Parker escape from prison to rescue her. It was claimed that the Gwen clone was really a woman named Joyce Delany who was seemingly cured of the virus and left to lead her own life once more. Ralph Macchio became editor of the Spider-Man group. He left the job of Spider-Man to Reilly. After the fifth volume, the reprint series was retitled Spider-Man: The Complete Ben Reilly Epic and began with The Return Of Spider-Man arc and Reilly's tenure as Spider-Man. During this story, hundreds of Spider-Clones chased Reilly through the city and then degenerated. Kaine enters through a window with baby May and gives her to her family. Lucasfilm presents the official sequential order for the beloved animated series, including all episodes and the original feature film. [17], Following the end of "Maximum Clonage", the creative staff launched revamps of established villains (a new female Doctor Octopus, a new Vulture, and the Grim Hunter, the son of Kraven the Hunter), without much success. The revelations made by the High Evolutionary were revealed to have been inaccurate, driven by a determination to discredit Warren, who had formerly worked with him. SUMMARY: In Amazing Spider-Man #149, Ben Reilly makes his first appearance as a "clone" of Peter Parker/Spider … Act Two would last around three months and follow Ben's adventures. A clone of Warren appeared as the first Carrion but also seemed to die (TSS 31 (June 1979)). He consulted Daredevil, who had his own troubles with his secret identity, and then got poisoned by the Vulture. Peter retires, saying Ben is the real one, so Ben creates a new costume. [3], The Amazing Spider-Man #149, the climactic installment of the original Clone Saga, leaves it ambiguous whether it is the original Spider-Man or his clone who perishes in the bomb explosion. Parker and Reilly stopped his plan, and Warren fell to his death trying to save the Gwen's clone. Spider-Man’s Tangled Web #1 (2001) Spider-Man’s Tangled Web #2 Spider-Man’s Tangled Web #3 Spider-Man’s Tangled Web #4 Spider-Man’s Tangled Web #5 Spider-Man’s Tangled Web #6 Spider-Man’s Tangled Web #7 Spider-Man’s Tangled Web #8 Spider-Man’s Tangled Web #9. In Power and Responsibility (WOS 117, ASM 394, SM 51, TSS 217 (October 1994)) Parker almost went insane. In addition, his current girlfriend Jessica, the daughter of the Burglar that had shot Uncle Ben, and who had learned that he was Spider-Man, forgave him for being involved with her dad's death, after watching him perform selfless acts as Spider-Man. The villain is revealed to be the Jackal, who captures all three and reveals that he plans to make an army of Spider-clones and take over the world. As a result, the Spider-Man group was unable to proceed with any conclusion to the saga, despite agreement among both writers and editors that it should end as soon as possible. The The Exile Returns story (WOS 118, SM 52 (November 1994); WOS 119, SM 53 (December 1994)) focused on Reilly. The central revelation of the Clone Saga came out three months behind schedule. Harras replaced Budiansky with Ralph Macchio as editor, who declared that Norman Osborn would be the master planner of the cloning. In fact, there's so much stuff happening that sometimes it's hard to keep it … By Dan Z. "[10] As such, Traveller's role would remain a mystery to readers for a while, as writers dropped him in and out of this saga. ASM = The Amazing Spider-Man TSS = Peter Parker, the Spectacular Spider-Man TSS 235 (June 1996) revealed that Peter's injuries were still acting up, which was a sign for concern. He decreed that Foggy Nelson should appear at the Daily Bugle massacre, even though he had no connection to Spider-Man or to the story. Additionally, he became known as the super-hero the Scarlet Spider, complete with a unique costume. In 1994, the staff responsible for the Spider-Man titles began planning for the 400th issue of The Amazing Spider-Man. One sliver of uncertainty remained: the real Parker might have died in the explosion, and the survivor only thought he was the original. First, he decreed that the mastermind would be Norman Osborn. [23] Greenberg recalls that "Budiansky was mired in indecision, and it was hurting the entire line. Moments later, Harry attacks Ben and captures him as bait for Peter. Judas Traveller and Scrier were seen as too far out of Spider-Man's league to serve as villains. "[12], At this point, the creative staff, seemingly without strict direction, inserted a lot of open plot points waiting to be resolved, such as Ben Reilly worrying about "degeneration" of his body due to cloning, why Kaine was protecting Spider-Man but preying on Ben Reilly, why Ben and Spider-Man shared dreams, why Kaine was foreseeing Mary Jane's death, who the mysterious new character Seward Trainer was as well as the identity of the "Third Peter Parker", a.k.a. It was kind of like what I had already done with Thor and Thunderstrike—two very different titles based on a single concept. Greenberg recalled "I think even the janitor and the mail room guys weighed in at one point. Everything was ready for Reilly to take Parker's place permanently. Once again, though, they lacked anything better. Clone stories in the interim between the Clone Sagas, Learn how and when to remove this template message. u/FoorAJ. As an expert on cloning, he creates clones of both Gwen and Peter, discovering Peter is Spider-Man as a result. The 7th and final season arrives on Disney+ Friday, February 21st! To prove that he was dangerous, the writers had him killing classic Spider-Man foes, including Doctor Octopus, with his corpse shown to rule out any possibility that he would return. [6] Later, Spider-Man investigated Warren's old laboratory and discovered that Carrion was another former student of Warren's, Malcolm McBride, who was infected with the virus and became the new Carrion. The bonus pages are drawn by John Romita Jr.. Marvel reprinted the second saga's entire run in large TPBs titled Spider-Man: The Complete Clone Saga Epic. 17. There were two "Clone Sagas": the original storyline in the 1970s and the second saga which consumed all the regular Spider-Man series, several limited series and one-shot issues between 1994 and 1997. Nobody had any idea where it had come from or what it meant, but someday it might contribute to the final result. Issue #44 saw Peter telling May about her Uncle Ben, but not that he was a clone. Jurgens wanted to work on the Peter Parker version of the character, and was disappointed to have Ben instead, and so he made a plea to Budiansky to bring back Parker, arguing that Ben confused new readers, and was a disappointment to longtime readers who had grown to love Parker. Stacy learned that she was not another woman pretending to be a clone (as the High Evolutionary had claimed) but a clone pretending to be another woman pretending to be a clone; in other words, the retcon was retconned. I don't think ANYONE - from the writers to the editors to the assistant editors - agreed with Harras's idea, although his rationale certainly made sense to a certain extent. He took on Mysterio, who had incorporated new technology into his powers of illusion, and beat him. 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