All these fabulous ‘achs’ have bags of exposure and amazing views to back up their claims, but An Teallach perhaps has the edge on its fellow leviathans. There are plenty of places that are simple uphill walks on rock that force you to scratch away almost on hands and knees in the wet. I've no idea what grade that is - but I'm pretty sure it was more serious than the mild grade 1 of the uphill version done on a dry day. If we're including routes which are graded as easy climbs I think cyfrwy arete should be in the grade 3 list. Previously, I'd done Sub-Cneifion Arete, Tennis Shoe, Lazarus, Groove Above and Central Arete on Glydr Fawr with a different friend. I think I agree with you, Gordon. If Skye is the … An Astoundingly beautiful part of Scotland and Glencoe. massive route by Lakeland standards), Mod - North Buttress, Dolmen Ridge (that steep pitch is never a 'scramble'), Dubh Ridge (the best scramble in the country hands down, a contender for the best long day out at any grade), Castle Ridge, A'Chir, Afterthought Arete, Rum Cuillin done direct (mostly just a walk of course), Cneifion Arete, Diff - Tower Ridge, NE Ridge Aonach Beag, Clach Glas-Bla Bheinn, Pinnacle Ridge Gillean, Clogwyn y Person Arete with a start up the nose (otherwise it deserves to go into the grade 3 list), Cyfrwy Arete via Table Direct, round of Coire Lagan with Kings Chimney included, I'm bound to have forgotten loads of others. In length the full ridge continues for 10 km from the Pap of Glencoe at the west to the eastern end at the Devil's Staircase. Some guides say it's amazing, others that it's a 1 star job. Offering opinion on something you know nothing about is not on. Aonach Eagach and Sgorr nam Fiannaidh - geograph.org.uk - 684020.jpg 640 × 434; 64 KB Aonach Eagach Ridge (17890034319).jpg 4,237 × 3,178; 9.1 MB Aonach Eagach.ogg 1.3 s; 28 KB Better than curved ridge. We got down without any mishaps but I can remember it feeling a bit nervy for a while. The three possible finishes are on steeper but more broken rock, so with some grass and the odd loose bit. You can avoid the final chimney section to the right, or step to the right higher in the chimney to bypass the direct finish. Mountain in the Torridon Hills. Cneifion. I'm not a great scrambler but I've certainly done harder things than that (eg Ghreadaidh to Banachdich as mentioned upthread). (The ridge in Glencoe, that is, not the prolific contributor to the forums). Both great days out, enjoying Ogwen's pecuilar concentration of great rock. 10.12.2017 18:30 - Channel 4: Britains Wildest Weather ( Ben Nevis ) 19.3.2018 20:00 - Channel 5: Winter Road Rescue / Winter Mountain Rescue Mit seinen 1234 Metern Höhe ist der Aonach Beag der siebthöchste Berg Schottlands und zählt zu den höchsten Erhebungen Großbritanniens. Liathach grade 2, CR grade 3, BB v diff, an teallach grade 3, tower ridge diff, table direct v diff, the Cuillin ridge an ultra long v diff (but you probably want to have a number of grades in hand), hornli ridge alpine grade AD. brooess. A general forum for topics relating to hillwalking. The Aonach Eagach is usually regarded as the most difficult 'scrambling' ridge in mainland Scotland, though it vies with Liathach, and in winter An Teallach, for this title. East Buttress of Mealaisval (think Etive Slabs for scramblers) and the Tahaval routes are especially good. Clach Glas - Bla Bheinn traverse has to be there at mod! So much depends on the situation you're in. Talking about Carnmore and slabs upthread - I was on A' Mhaighdean a couple of weeks ago and took in the Red Slab which I thought was fantastic. I attempted to compile a graded best-of in these articles, but with half an eye to geographical spread as well as sheer quality, so they do miss out plenty of deserving candidates: grade 1: https://www.ukhillwalking.com/articles/destinations/britains_best_grade_1_scrambles-7637, grade 2: https://www.ukhillwalking.com/articles/features/britains_best_grade_2_scrambles-9609. Sgor nam Fiannaidh The Aonach Eagach above the A82, looking up Glen Coe Elevation 967 m (3,173 ft) One of our most popular trips is a four day trip to scramble the three great UK mainland ridges – An Teallach (Day 1), Liathach (Day 2) and the Aonach Eagach (Day 4). Not done it yet, but have had my eye on it for a while now! There's also the question of things being harder/easier in different directions, eg there's a school of thought that the Aonach Eagach is easier west-east. You’ve obviously missed a lot. Most popular are the Corbetts – summits between 2500 and 3000 feet – which provide every bit as much challenge, if not more, than the Munros themselves. The Aggy ridge was undoubtedly my scariest day in the hills, and I saw a guy fall off, needing rescued. O ver the past few years I have completed three out of the four classic mountaineering ridges in Scotland in winter- An Teallach, Aonach Eagach and the Cuillin Ridge. Will bear these suggestions in mind when I’m next up that way, still got quite a few Munros to do up there, including Fisherfield- already got my eye on some easy rock climbs near Carnmore, can add these suggestions to the pot. All sorts of other things on the Skye Cuillin? Mind you, I had changed into big boots by then! It is located in Glencoe, not far from Fort William and is the most accessible of the ‘big three’ ridges. My partner slipped descending a small gully and took a real fall that could have been a lot worse than the few bruises she got. But the whole thing felt like something we'd got away. I can only really comment on ones I’ve done, so I came up with: grade 1: Tryfan N ridge, Bristly ridge, Crib Goch, Daear Ddu, Sharp Edge (maybe Snowdon Y Gribin and the Horns of Alligin, both in impressive situations but a bit short). A few years ago I decided to grasp the nettle and set off up it with an experienced local friend. I’ve commented ‘more a scramble than a climb’, I assume I meant that the ‘hands on rock’ bits are part of a larger whole, with steep walking in between- as opposed to easy rock climbs eg ordinary route at idwal slabs, middlefell buttress, milestone ordinary (ok the descents from some of those are not really straightforward walks, but all the same...). Turen over ryggen vert rekna som ein av dei vanskelegaste i Skottland, i lag med Liathach og An Teallach på vinterstid. The SMC Scottish rock climbs book grades it diff, as does Dan Bailey of this parish in his guidebooks. I'm not sure it makes sense to try to separate top end scrambling from low end climbing, it's all climbing, so for this sort of scrambly long mountain route list game I'd probably go up to Diff (with the caveat that from 3 upwards it's mostly worth having a rope). Snag about that for me is that when I was doing Eyes to the Hills I was superfit and going very well, so it's very hard to judge. I was with one of my sisters and we'd gone up by Hall's Fell and on top - being young and keen and stupid - I suggested Sharp Edge as a way down. At that stage I hadn't been either up or down it. The beginning of the Cneifion Arete is really a short Mod or Diff rock climb, then it's a grade 1 scramble. Forcan Ridge? Nasty polished rock. In reply to Myr: > Outside of the Cuillin, it is hard to beat the north ridge of Tryfan or the Aonach Eagach for sheer duration of quality scrambling at invariant grade. It wasn’t, it’s been a thread the person referred to has been happy to contribute extensively to. I would add Cyfrwy Arete (Grade 3S) to the list for a full-on mountaineering adventure, especially with the Table Direct start, although this being a V Diff falls outside scrambling grades. The Ring Of Steall. The Aonach Eagach. Better than curved ridge. As ever huge observational bias with which is best, with by default everyone offering a route they have done, thus the classic ridges lines particularly in Scotland have an over prominence. In his book “Scrambles in Lochaber”, local climber Noel Williams warns that there are no other ridges in the area that are “so narrow and so difficult to escape from once committed. Mind you it depends which line you take on most scrambles, you can certainly make Tryfan north ridge and Bristley ridge a grade 2 by taking a direct line over the obstacles rather than the path. I've only been in winter but Ben Alligin, An Teallach, Liathach, A'Chioch on Beinn Bhan, Beinn Eighe, etc. > A’chir- Not done it- but is it not a moderate rock climb? Fiacaill Ridge. Photo: Getty. You can show your support in one of two ways; both come with rewards, and one includes discounted products from Rockfax. Never much liked Jack’s rake either- polished scrappy scrambling up a damp trench lower down, walking with an unnerving clamber around an eroded section further up. Picking on another poster, the ? (Most people seemed to agree with the grades I gave in my Cuillin book for many years, before more detailed guide books became available.). I think it’s grade 3, and definitely gets a place on the list. depends really, on how confident you are. Hear pronunciation Press to hear pronunciation. Second time taking shots for my book Eyes to the Hills. Route Map. 1 – (NN 17333 56746) Follow the path out of the car park up the hillside keeping up a good pace to escape the bite of wee beasties. I’ve offered an apology to him, if it is needed. © UKClimbing Limited. Ben Nevis via the CMD Arete. That’s not my opinion, these are consistent across guidebooks and the logbooks here, Nope you’re wrong there liatach is a grade 1/2, bb is a 2+ even says in Steve Ashton’s guide book, an tellach can be a grade 2 if u avoid the pinacles, table direct is a grade 3s even says in Steve Ashton’s book, cuilin ridge is a grade 3 with v diff bits, and hornli ridge is a 2/3 it says on loads of websites. Crib Goch is easier than both the Aonach Eagach and Liathach in winter. The Aonach Eagach is usually regarded as the most difficult horizontal 'scrambling' ridge in mainland Scotland, though it vies with Liathach (and, in winter, An Teallach) for this title. I've always found it about 3 or 4 times as scary soloing on my own. I think only very accurate, meaningful grades become possible at VS and above. The pitch up for the table gap is definitely harder than either pitch of table direct, but it's escapable to the left and also on much more solid rock. > Clach Glas - Bla Bheinn is the best grade 3 I've ever done. Not only is the ridge long and quite technical at grade II, the ascents and descents at either end are steep and unrelenting - no place to practice self-arrest. I have to agree. The one just before or after the Inpin (depending on which way you're going) on the Cuillin. Thanks CA- honestly, no malice intended. I accidentally forgot to mention to my friend we’d have to climb over Cairn Gorm again on the way back... > Outside of the Cuillin, it is hard to beat the north ridge of Tryfan or the Aonach Eagach for sheer duration of quality scrambling at invariant grade. You are a bully, naming a person in an OP is no go. A total classic example, maybe Grade 3+, is the Clogwyn y Person Arete, starting up the Parson's Nose. Guess I'd better do it then! About the best scramble in Snowdonia, imho. More like a Diff than a scramble but highly recommended to anyone who's in the area https://www.ukclimbing.com/photos/dbpage.php?id=348991. For example is the Clach Glas - Balvern Traverse better than either of the face routes of Sids Rake with the direct start and the Slapin Face variation or Ramp Route then the imposter, both up Clach Glas East face both followed by finishing off up Blavern by the Traverse. Did it years back en route to Beinn Mheadhoin. I went up last year when it was clear at the bottom but low cloud, and the rock was just sopping and like ice. Aonach Eagach : SummitPost.org : Climbing, hiking, mountaineering. It was an October day 35 years ago and memories are fuzzy, but yes it was the steeper Foule Crag section that felt quite airy as a wet descent (and in cloud). I've only done it in full east-west, but I once came up from the north side and turned east, and the awkward down-scramble on Am Bodach is certainly easier in ascent. Start from the car park on the A82 at NN 17333 56746 . Some routes are borderline and open to discussion, but no one seriously argues that tower ridge or the Cuillin traverse are grade 3 scrambles. as to being spooked on easy scrambles- eastern terrace on cloggy, in thick mist and rain... still wake up in a cold sweat about that one...! http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/info/forums.html, https://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crags/cam_crags_borrowdale-2477/cam_crag_ridge-50974, https://www.ukhillwalking.com/articles/destinations/britains_best_grade_1_scrambles-7637, https://www.ukhillwalking.com/articles/features/britains_best_grade_2_scrambles-9609, https://www.ukclimbing.com/photos/dbpage.php?id=348991. Clach Glas - Bla Bheinn is the best grade 3 I've ever done. Aonach Eagach is 1000 metres high with a prominence of 9 metres. not been to Rum yet, but definitely on the list... > The beginning of the Cneifion Arete is really a short Mod or Diff rock climb, then it's a grade 1 scramble. If it had been to mock, yes. Even after the steep juggy first pitch (which I agree is probably Diff) it is sustained and very exposed if you keep to the right edge and a fall on it would be very serious. ... Liathach from the air by drone, Torridon, Scotland - Duration: 2:59. The Gillaval Dubh routes are on excellent gneiss, clean but with more grassy bits than RH Slabs (around 80% of its 250m is rock). I met this new man. Aonach Eagach vs Crib Goch – winter traverse. Yes it has a crux, but so does everything! The crazy pinnacles Aonach eagach csa_adventure. The Aonach Eagach is one of the best ridge walks in Scotland rivaling Liathach, An Teallach and the Skye Ridge. Our community does not do this. The Aonach Eagach. Email Address: (you will also be emailed a Cc: [carbon copy] of this message). There are too many to mention. But, I didn't expect anything much from Fiacaill Ridge so it took me by surprise a bit. Mountains similar to or like Liathach. Proper ridge scramble, no bypass for the hard sections (unless you want to abseil), fantastic views when it's not in the clag as well. Have a look at the other thread, that’s crass. Glencoe, Scotland. Aonach Mor / Beag : 2nd highest in the area, Gondola ride and way less tourists.I was told by a local that you get better views from Aonach Mor. All rights reserved. Dempster in Classic Scottish Scrambles gives it grade 4. Mind you, I had changed into big boots by then! You are a welcome addition to the forums, and your attitude reminds me of another young man whose early posting style got a few backs up, but who went on to climb E10... Narnia Arete is on immaculate peridotite, no vegetation at all (has a bird ban in Spring). If you’d like more information about scrambling Aonach Eagach and the other two ridges, or any other guided walks or scrambles, then just get in touch. Grade 2: Aonach Eagach, Forcan Ridge, Ghreadaidh traverse, Liathach, AnTeallach (avoiding the Bad Step but including the rest of the ridge) Grade 3: Clogwyn y Person, Ill Crag from Little Narrowcove, Curved Ridge, RH Slabs (An Groban, Gairloch), Ganu Mor Slabs (Foinaven). The Llech Ddu Spur. Den sentrale delen, som er kring 2 km lang, er særs berglendt. O ver the past few years I have completed three out of the four classic mountaineering ridges in Scotland in winter- An Teallach, Aonach Eagach and the Cuillin Ridge. > North Buttress I've never done, despite having done most of the other scrambles. Jack's Rake? Ditto for Arran and Rum. Well Ruth (yorksgal) had wanted to do the Aonach Eagach ridge for some time now. Aonach Eagach. BTW. Coast. Route Map. > if that’s included, I’m definitely suggesting North Buttress on the Buachaille. Kirk Fell. Tops. 1 – (NN 17333 56746) Follow the path out of the car park up the hillside keeping up a good pace to escape the bite of wee beasties. tower ridge though- According to the Scrambles in Lochaber cicerone guidebook is ‘too hard to be regarded as a scramble’, and a modified version missing the great tower is still 3(s). Aonach Eagach ridge above Loch Achtriochtan in Glencoe, Scotland. I would suggest that An Teallach is a more difficult and more serious day out than the Aonach Eagach, or Lliathach, especially in winter. Yes, the Scrambles in Lochaber route steps to the right when the chimney narrows to a crack. Start from the car park on the A82 at NN 17333 56746 . Mod: A' Chir, Narnia Arete (Rum), Clach Glas, Dubhs, Amphitheatre Arete (Sron na Ciche). I thought, if the chockstone comes out, I'm dead. 07588108723 Kilometres of absorbing scrambling, stunning views and traversing two Munro's. Are the rum/Harris/gairloch ones on clean rock? As many already know I suffer from vertigo and down climbs are very difficult for me. If it was more than 120m it would be easily the best Mod in Britain. (The bit above the edge itself). . Cneifion Arete is a benchmark Grade 3 scramble. Too much trust on Aonach Eagach My tale is one highlighting the fact that you should do your own research rather than putting all your faith and trust in someone else. North Buttress is right at the top end of grade 3 (3S). The Aonach Eagach is usually regarded as the most difficult horizontal 'scrambling' ridge in mainland Scotland, though it vies with Liathach (and, in winter, An Teallach) for this title. I don't think I'll ever do Jack's Rake - there's something very dark and forbidding about it and I just don't fancy it. Great holds and wild exposure. Click an entity to go directly to the entity box. Approach. Dan Bailey - Feb 10, 2004 10:40 am - Hasn't voted Untitled Comment. What did you disagree with? The Aonach Eagach is a spectacular narrow ridge running high above the pass of Glencoe. 9. Scottish mountain situated in the wild mountainous area between Upper Loch Torridon and Glen Carron, 25 kilometres north northeast of Kyle of Lochalsh. However, I felt that the crux of the whole route was the climb out of the gap on Cyfrwy Arete, which felt tougher than anything on Table Direct. Check out this great, detailed guide on Walk Highlands for more details on this (and many other) routes. Naming a person is bullying. Naming a person in an OP or thread title is no go, non negotiable. The scrambling is much more intermittent or limited on Liathach, An Teallach, Forcan ridge, Arran, and most of the other Lakes/Snowdonia scrambles. Wikipedia. Last year I did Hope, Original Route and Continuation Crack followed by Cneifion Arete and a swim in Llyn Idwal with some friends. Flickr photos, groups, and tags related to the "eagach" Flickr tag. Liathach is one of the more worthy targets of this pastime akin for example to an ascent of Crestone Needle or some such peak in Colorado. Over the past few years I have completed three (An Teallach, Aonach Eagach and the Cuillin Ridge) out of the four classic mountaineering ridges in Scotland in winter.This just left Liathach left to complete, unfortunately for the past two years the weather and conditions didn’t align while I … anyway An teallach and Liathach, Skye, Castle ridge on the Ben, angels ridge, and after thought Arete all obviously need a mention. I had done about eight Munros and was so excited that he seemed so experienced in the hills. Linuxlad 22:51, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC) I can;t really comment - having wimped out and taken the traverse path on both Liathach and An Teallach! This just left Liathach. Were you there for that amazing cloud sea? Similar with people I've spoken to. There are six peaks along the 7km ridge of Liathach, two of which are Munros. grade 2: Am Fasarinen, Round of glen sannox, ledge route (ok, not done this one but surely has to be in there) and the Aonach Eagach, of course... grade 3: Curved ridge, Clogwyn y person arête, Pinnacle Ridge (St Sunday one), tourist route on sgurr nan gillean, An Teallach. They're not particularly into climbing, more hill walking, but is a confident summer scrambler. I think, because I didn't know it, I thought to myself I'll stick to the chimney crack because that will be more secure. > aonach eagach , Bastow buttress , curved ridge ,an tellach . In my book they can- I’ve not done a’chioch but have done all the others you mention, in summer. > I have to agree. The Aonach Eagach is normally tackled from the Glen Coe (south) side in an east–west traverse. Thanks Iain- some great suggestions there. Inevitably the well known routes top the list, not just because more people have done them, but because the classics are classics for good reasons. A few years ago I was chatting with a Cumbrian friend who has been up Blencathra a couple of hundred times and is considerably more scrambling-competent than me. North Buttress is very exposed, with a steep chimney crux. Feb 26, 2015 - Famed as the narrowest ridge on the British mainland (though Liathach and An Teallach must run it close), the Aonach Eagach gives a thrilling and spectacular traverse for keen scramblers, linking the Munros of Meall Dearg and Sgorr nam Fiannaidh. Please help UKClimbing continue to provide varied and free content by becoming an official UKC Supporter. Pete Short. Much as folks in Colorado visit "fourteeners" or climbers in the Alps do "4000 m" peaks, the Scottish hillwalker has a list of 3000 foot mountains which (s)he visits in a more or less systematic way. Went back after a look online to find the route and completed it, happy days. There was an alpine horn gathering going on in the valley when I came down from the Mürtschenstock. End of. Taken bold beginners on it (with a scrambling rope). The difficulties are short, but unexpectedly spicy for a grade 1 (and would probably get a 2 if it were any longer or more exposed). thanks for you’re concern but as far as I’m concerned he isn’t bullying me he just said my name to refer to a certain subject . Weather and Hill Conditions: mwis: Northwest Highlands – … Jan 30, 2018 - Famed as the narrowest ridge on the British mainland (though Liathach and An Teallach must run it close), the Aonach Eagach gives a thrilling and spectacular traverse for keen scramblers, linking the Munros of Meall Dearg and Sgorr nam Fiannaidh. Can anything really compare with the ridges up Torridon way? and indeed that was part of the motivation for starting this thread, to get suggestions for routes of a similar quality to the classics that I might not have heard of- so suggestions welcome, I won’t tell anyone... ;-). Near the top of the first section I became spooked and ground to a halt, and after a minute or so shouted up to my pal - who was ahead - that I wasn't for this, apologies but it's unnerving me enough to not want to go any further.So we retreated - and then, funnily enough, went up Easy Gully right next to it. If I could add one route though it would be an obscurity, C Buttress on Gillaval Dubh in Harris, another that would be famous if it were somewhere more frequented - 250m of rough gneiss that looks ridiculous from below but turns out to be lovely rough slabs, sustained but never hard. When I got to the superb grassy ledge at the top of that, I had to take a bit of breather for about 10 minutes and to wait for my heart beat to return to normal, yes, i was going to mention that not least for the splendid view of the great prow but it's a Diff;), https://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crags/bla_bheinn-684/clach_glas_-_blabheinn_traverse_summer-40828. You can show your support in one of two ways; both come with rewards, and one includes discounted products from Rockfax. Skye is also unfathomably pointy. Grade 1: Crib Goch, Tryfan N Ridge, Bristly Ridge, Ledge Route (easier version), Horns of Alligin. My partner slipped descending a small gully and took a real fall that could have been a lot worse than the few bruises she got. Aonach Eagach is a grade 2 scrambling route. In Scotland you'd call it "mountaineering" and in the Lakes "mucking about". It’s pretty straightforward, but if you fall you might die ♂️, > U can’t solo it that’s almost impossible, The LGP up the constitution hill arete > CA. The traverse seems like it may be a good compromise for us between walking and climbing. A major grade II winter mountaineering traverse, comparable in scale and challenge to Aonach Eagach or An Teallach, the other big two Mainland ridges. The Aonach Eagach is usually regarded as the most difficult ridge in mainland Scotland, though it vies with Liathach, and in winter An Teallach, for this title. Something to bear in mind is the navigation - Liathach is a far more challenging proposition than the Aonach Eagach in bad weather. I’d likely be doing it with less experienced seconds- would be reassuring if the belays were solid. Superlative days out all of them- but so are clogwyn y person arête, cneifon arête, crib goch... agree re N ridge tryfan- some great passages of scrambling if the earliest line not taken; and bristly ridge has ‘feel’ of something harder. Grade 3 often involves a section of unroped Mod rock climbing on an otherwise easier scramble. Liathach. Some guides say it's amazing, others that it's a 1 star job. Liathach is incredibly rugged and spiky as you creek your neck looking up the terraced slopes from the car park. Aonach Eagach is a mountain summit in the Loch Etive to the Black Mount region in the county of Argyll and Bute/Highland, Scotland. Free Member. UKC gives it Mod: https://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crags/buachaille_etive_mor-387/north_buttress_-_west_route_summer-44687, It's much more memorable/scary than A'chir, which is really good quality granite. Thanks Iain- inspirational stuff! In his book "Scrambles in Lochaber", local climber Noel Williams warns that there are no other ridges in the area that are "so narrow and so difficult to escape from once committed. The chimney on P2 isn’t straightforward and I’ve always been glad to be roped up when climbing it, which I would never say or do on a Grade 1 route. Yes, I would agree with that. Misgrading universally known classics, and suggesting obscure v diffs as classic grade 2 scrambles. Very glad I didn't try and downclimb the obvious drop as that's probably way beyond my ability! The classic traverse will always again more votes, because so few people have done differing lines, but the other two routes to the summit of Clach Glas in their own way are equally phenomenal....but I'm equally as bad as i've done Clach Glas Blavern over a dozen times, but the others only once! Day 3 is a travelling and rest day. Over the past few years I have completed three (An Teallach, Aonach Eagach and the Cuillin Ridge) out of the four classic mountaineering ridges in Scotland in winter. Often called the most difficult scramble ridge in mainland Britain however I personally think Liathach gives it a good run for its money. an "alpine" finish to a route up the Idwal Slabs, Holly Tree Wall and Continuation Wall. Because my feet were bridged on rather poor insecure footholds, I relied very much on my arms, more or less wrapped round that chockstone ... AND, it having a slightly insecure 'grating' feeling. I'd have said it was a scramble not a climb but getting to it in the first place isn't easy. No mention of anything in Carnmore, or Fionaven, or on Harris.......which is a good thing, there are lots of good big stuff away from the classics... Never been on it. I accept that my memory of the main/upper part of the Cneifion Arete is hazy, though I've done it twice. Or is it...? was that the chimney steepens and narrows at the top to a chockstone about the size of a football. In his book "Scrambles in Lochaber", local climber Noel Williams warns that there are no other ridges in the area that are "so narrow and so difficult to escape from once committed.
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